http://www.arrache.org/forum/ Arrache discussion forums en-US Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:42:15 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.arrache.org/forum/search.php http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/gold-wow-safe-really-quick-delivery-im-pretty-impatient-and-im-glad-i-found#post-256 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:46:17 +0000 zbzbxy 256@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Buy WoW Gold Fast Delivery,Where can you find <a href="http://www.wowgold4us.com/">wow gold cheap</a> for Sale? There are thousands of World of Warcraft Gold store out there, pick the right one is a tough task for sure. Why not give it a shot at one of the Top WoW Gold Sites? our website is absolutely the best place to Buy World of Warcarft Gold with lowest price and instant delivery. We are specialized in providing WoW items without cheats or frauds. Anytime you need to buy World of Warcraft Gold, come to us and get ready to be amazed!Learn about Buying wow gold safe , Buy wow gold safely ,Wow gold cheap and much more.We provide the cheapest wow gold all the servers on both EU&amp;US server and the first class service. We understand what you need is fast delivery and safe transaction, this is also our main feature compared with others, so if you have a hurry using of <a href="http://www.wowgold4us.com/">wow gold</a>, you may come to my wow gold store, an instant delivery and 100% safe transaction are offered here 24 hours a day. wow gold mount,Buy WoW Gold from Credible Seller . Our wow gold mount website supports as many as possible delivery methods. The details of gold delivery as following: Three Methods for Wow Gold Orders In-Game Mail: Your gold will be delivered via mail system in game.Buy WoW Gold with Instant Delivery! Buy Cheapest WoW Gold EU without Hackers or Cheats! World of Warcraft Gold in security guarantee is such a big deal. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/desert-tactical-arms#post-255 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:13:53 +0000 leblanc 255@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.eurooptic.com/desert-tactical-arms.aspx">Desert Tactical Arms</a> -EuroOptic.com Specializing in Nightforce, Swarovski, Zeiss, Schmidt Bender and much more. Call (570) 220 3159" </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/swarovski-scopes#post-254 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:59:30 +0000 webmaster77 254@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.eurooptic.com/swarovski-scopes.aspx">Swarovski Scopes</a> <br /> EuroOptic.com Specializing in Nightforce, Swarovski, Zeiss, Schmidt Bender and much more. Call (570) 220 3159" </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/porsche-cayenne-s-hybrid#post-253 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:17:14 +0000 webmaster77 253@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.theautogalleryporsche.com/index.htm">Porsche Cayenne S Hybrid</a> <br /> Get a deal on a new or used luxury car by Porsche in Los Angeles from The Auto Gallery Porsche. Visit us for sales, car loans, Porsche repair and parts. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/house-shutter-styles#post-252 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:21:31 +0000 webmaster77 252@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.danmer.com/shutters/shutters.asp">House Shutter Styles</a> <br /> house shutter styles - Custom built . Over 30 years of shutter experience. Free in-home consultations. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/grand-rapids-answering-service#post-251 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:55:33 +0000 webmaster77 251@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.answerunited.com/">Grand Rapids Answering Service</a> <br /> Answer United has provided the most reliable telephone answering service &amp; call center services for over 45 years. Highly trained employees work on state of the art equipment. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/wine-gift-baskets#post-250 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:21:00 +0000 webmaster77 250@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.gifttree.com/v3/Wine_Gift_Baskets-1.html">Wine Gift Baskets</a> <br /> GiftTree offers elegant wine gift baskets that make the right impression every time. Our extensive collection of wine offers a variety of baskets and gifts fit for all occasions and budgets. Not sure what wine gift basket to buy? Try our live chat and a knowledge representative will be happy to help. Shop with confidence knowing you'll receive excellent customer service and our 100% Satisfaction Guarantee. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/brand-name-wholesale-clothing#post-249 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:22:08 +0000 webmaster77 249@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.primetimeclothing.com/">Brand Name Wholesale Clothing</a> <br /> Primetime Clothing is the finest wholesale clothing destributor offering wholesale fashion, wholeslae dresses &amp; wholesale women’s clothing online. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/above-ground-pool-supplies#post-248 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:16:51 +0000 roen 248@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.watsons.com/pool-supplies.html">Above Ground Pool Supplies</a> - Watson's of Cincinnati is a toy store for adults offering above ground pools, pool supplies, Envisions Home Theater electronics, home theater furniture, casual patio furniture, spas &amp; hot tubs etc. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/sales-jobs#post-247 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:49:25 +0000 roen 247@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://pnet.co.za/">Sales Jobs</a> - PNet is South Africa's number 1 job site. Search for jobs across South Africa. Find work. Recruit the ideal candidates. PNet your job portal. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/framegrabber#post-246 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:11:21 +0000 sharonn 246@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.alacron.com/index.php?src=gendocs&amp;ref=FrameGrabberSelector&amp;category=Framegrabbers">Framegrabber</a><br /> Hardware, Software, Applications, and Systems for Machine Vision and Imaging. Products include frame grabbers, vision processors, imaging systems, recording systems, machine vision and development software. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/beverly-hills-audi#post-245 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:40:24 +0000 roen 245@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.theautogalleryaudi.com/audi-beverly-hills.htm">Beverly Hills Audi</a> - The Auto Gallery Audi is your greater Los Angeles Audi dealer. We are your car dealership for sales, car loans, Audi parts and Audi repair. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/travel-and-expense-management#post-244 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:24:59 +0000 sharonn 244@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.chromeriver.com/">Expense Management Automation</a><br /> Chrome River offers online expense reporting &amp; expense management software to automate your organization's accounts payable operations. Learn More Today! </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/discounttires#post-243 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:18:57 +0000 roen 243@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://discounttires.com/">Tire Sale</a><br /> Discounttires.com is an on line retailer with the lowest prices on tires and wheels, carrying all name brands and a huge inventory. 1-2 day delivery guaranteed, in most cases. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/mutual-fund-screener#post-242 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 01:37:10 +0000 sharonn 242@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="https://www.jemstep.com/info/mutual-fund-screener">Mutual Fund Screener</a><br /> Jemstep, is a mutual fund and ETF investment advice tool that will help you make better financial decisions using unbiased mutual fund ratings and ETF research. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/moving-to-new-york#post-241 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:26:23 +0000 roen 241@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.shleppers.com/">Moving To New York</a> - Shleppers Moving &amp; Storage 250 West 49th Street, Suite 305, New York, NY 10019 (646) 963-2596 . </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/leaf-blower#post-240 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:31:53 +0000 roen 240@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.wisesales.com/echo_blowers.html">Leaf Blower</a> - Wise Sales Specializes in Wide Selection of Lawnmowers, Lawn Tractors, Zero Turn Lawn Mowers, Generators, Leaf Blowers, chainsaws, string trimmers, commercial units, snowblowers. We carry a wide variety of brands: Ariens, Toro, Honda, Yamaha, Gravely and more. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/recovery_links#post-239 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 01:38:28 +0000 Cobb 239@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <li><a href="http://www.brentwoodplastics.com/vffs.html"><strong>Vffs</strong></a></p> <p> Brentwood Plastics manufactures flexible plastic polyethylene lay flat tubing and polyethylene sheeting on rolls by the blown film process. </li> <li><a href="http://www.c7dc.com"><strong>Data center</strong></a> <p> Colocation tier 3 SAS 70 data center with disaster recovery colocation solutions and affordable VMware server virtualization. </li> <li><a href="http://www.smokes-spirits.com"><strong>Cheap cigarettes online</strong></a> <p> Cheap cigarettes online,Discount cigarettes,Cigarettes online,Discount cigars,Buy cigarettes online,Cheap cigars. </li> <li><a href="http://www.iscdfw.com/powerstrips-geist.htm"><strong>Server rack</strong></a> <p> Computer rack, server rack and computer server racks are supplied by ISCDFW. We have large range of computer rack cabinets, server rack, server cabinets. </li> <li><a href="http://www.icslimosanfrancisco.com"><strong>Limo san francisco</strong></a> <p> Welcome to ICS San Francisco Limousine Service 1-800-BOOK-A-LIMO. We are the Best San Francisco Limousine Service, luxury Limousine service and Airport Ground Transportation to San Francisco's Airports in the Industry! </li> <li><a href="http://www.greaterkansascityhomes.com/"><strong>Overland Park Homes</strong></a> <p> Make a quick comparison of housing and living conditions across the major cities of the nation. Choose almost any index that is commonly used to measure the quality of life in a community. </li> <li><a href="http://northtexasspinalhealth.com/custom_content/c_69446_cold_laser_therapy.html"><strong>Low back pain frisco tx</strong></a> <p> North Texas Spinal Health ;Wellness - Chiropractic Care in Frisco, TX Welcome to Frisco TX ChiropractorNorth Texas Spinal HealthIf you are looking for achiropractor and live in Frisco, Little Elm. </li> <li><a href="http://www.rebound4all.com/"><strong>Trampolines for sale</strong></a> <p> The urge to jump, fly, and be free from gravity is an age-old desire of mankind and can be traced back to archaeological drawings. </li> <li><a href="http://www.mainlineflatpacks.co.uk/products/mail-order-packaging/"><strong>Cardboard mailers</strong></a> <p> Mainline has grown from its initial supply of Kodak enlargement envelopes to being Europes largest manufacturer of cardboard envelopes and specialist packaging. </li> <li><a href="http://targetstudy.com/"><strong>Mba in india</strong></a> <p> An Education portal aims to provide comprehensive information on Education in India which includes courses, exams, results, institutions, career options in India. </li> <li><a href="http://www.fullcirclenj.com"><strong>Cheap nj car insurance</strong></a> <p> Fullcirclenj.com offers online automobiles &amp; car insurance in new jersey quick &amp; easy less than a minute. Call us at (732) 237-9500. </li> <li><a href="http://calcoelectric.com/cd79"><strong>Thermal protector</strong></a> <p> Calco Electric Corp. is a company based in Ohio, with over 25 years experience in the area of temperature controls, bimetal thermostat, sensors, thermal protection and fuse switch. </li> <li><a href="http://www.juanashop.com"><strong>Cultivo marihuana</strong></a> <p> JuanaShop tu grow online venta de artículos para la hoticultura y el cultivo interior, hidroponía, cultivo marihuana, semillas, sustratos, fertilizantes, armarios de cultivo, filtros antiolor, extractors. </li> <li><a href="http://www.precurio.com/"><strong>Intranet portal</strong></a> <p> Looking for a Onsite or Hosted Intranet, Precurio is a complete solution with Workflow, Help Desk, Document Management. </li> <li><a href="http://www.clearpathtechnology.com"><strong>SEO India</strong></a> <p> Clearpath Technology offer the best kind of Internet Marketing, Search Engine Optimization, Link Building and Web Design &amp; Development solutions to customers widespread all over the globe. </li> <li><a href="http://www.luxmarina.com/en/port-management.cfm"><strong>Port Operations and Management</strong></a> <p> Luxmarina SAS is a dedicated centre of excellence servicing the yachting industry with high-end solutions for marina design, construction and management. Etude incidence régate NATURA 2000.</li> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/recovery_links#post-238 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:39:37 +0000 halden 238@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <li><a href="http://www.morningsiderecovery.com/dual-disorder-treatment.html"><strong>Dual Diagnosis Facilities</strong></a></p> <p> Morningside Recovery is a nationally renowned facility for dual diagnosis treatment, alcohol and drug rehabilitation, and single or co-occurring mental illness and mental health treatment.</p> </li> <li><a href="http://www.southcoastrecovery.com/"><strong>California Drug Rehabs</strong></a> <p> Drug Rehab Center - Alcohol and Drug Rehab Programs - Drug and Alcohol Treatment Centers - SouthCoast Recovery offers effective and affordable alchoholism and drug rehab, as well as, specialized treatment programs at our Centers in California.</li> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/luau-party-supplies#post-237 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:03:20 +0000 tammy 237@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.shindigz.com/catalog.cfm?cat=14832">Luau Party Supplies</a><br /> Shop dazzling, party supplies and party supplies decorations! ShindigZ, your online party supplies store, sells over 38,000 birthday supplies, theme party supplies, event supplies, and wholesale party decorations. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/home-cotton-candy-machines#post-236 Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:12:59 +0000 tammy 236@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.thelashop.com/15-mini-home-kids-cotton-candy-machine-maker.html">Home Cotton Candy Machines</a><br /> TheLAShop.com, we are a direct importer and vendor of small business equipment &amp; home goods. Buy at wholesale prices : Aquarium Supplies, Bicycle Motor, Business &amp; Industrial, Exercise Fitness Equipment &amp; much more. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/title-loan-san-diego#post-235 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:13:57 +0000 tammy 235@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.cartitleloanscalifornia.com/san-diego.php">Title Loan San Diego</a><br /> Find automobile title loans, car title loan, pink slip loans and auto title loans in California, Pasadena, Ventura, Palmdale, Anaheim and Sacramento. Get the money you need instantly call 1.888.202.3451! </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/nsr-postulate-for-pm-machine#post-234 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:58:56 +0000 eewhite4 234@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>I have worked over this timing issue for all the designs in my inventory. I now look at the problem from a different perspective which may be enlightening to some of you. </p> <p>It is always important to remember that the entire set of weights is in a constant state of motion. Some designs may be able to take advantage of a quick drop of one component to slowly lift another component, and while it is true that the work done on these two objects may have a positive net energy, all the other weights must still be considered as it may also be that these take away energy from the overall system in order to make the remainder of the system cycle through. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/nsr-postulate-for-pm-machine#post-233 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:12:34 +0000 NSR Moorthy 233@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>When we apply a sudden force f and move an object through x, the work is f*x.<br /> But when we apply a gradual force f, the work (1/2)*f*x.</p> <p>From this we can conclude that when you work on system to change its position quickly and release energy slowly, we can gain some net energy from the system.</p> <p>Balls falling suddenly and then balls being raised slowly may result in net gain of energy.</p> <p>The sounds people seems to have heard from Bessler's wheel may be because of this. Can members work configurations based on this idea ? </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/new-member-intoductions#post-232 Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:07:09 +0000 claudius2u 232@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>One more thing . . .</p> <p>Claude here;</p> <p>"Grimer," some years ago, it was my privilege to be a member of a constructive writing class for essentially illiterate individuals, though several of us were fairly well-versed in English jargon. However, the instructor, a composition professor at University of Washington, and well seasoned in his position there, made certain that every class member be clearly aware that he valued all classmates' work as a valid expression of their thoughts, REGARDLESS of the accuracy of the English delivery used, as such use of the English was NOT his focus!</p> <p>Well, his heart to uncover the good in each classmate has stayed with me since, and if I do not remember a thing I, and others wrote - I copied and gave out every story written for all to work on corrections together - gaining that insight into the value of allowing for imperfect literacy and valuing the author will serve my good the rest of my life.</p> <p>Do allow for imperfect *litteracy* here! But, with that same value, mods and all, Do use literacy tools on your computer to make your input *gramatically corect*! [That's Grammatically correct!]</p> <p>Claude </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/new-member-intoductions#post-231 Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:53:43 +0000 claudius2u 231@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Hi all, </p> <p>Not so much activity as I'd hoped for on such a forum!</p> <p>Oh well . . .</p> <p>I'm Claude Armstrong, Lakewood, Washington -Helloooo Oregon! [You 'Southerners!].</p> <p>After allowing the "unbalanced devise" atop my shoulders about 18 months to digest the first attempt at a gravity-to-motion rotating engine, it came up with a concept that moves a weight to the top of a rotating "wheel," causing the fulcum-imbalance phenomena that Johann's models used - at least in the concpetual drafts I've put together, and visualized in computer mock-up.</p> <p>Now, I'm on a quest to find a secretive personality with a bent toward mechanical savvy and gravity v.s. motion insight, who will assist with some focused critiqueing that reflects careful mechanical analysis of this concept, B4 I go further to work on a prototype.</p> <p>Any takers?</p> <p>Please use my <a href="mailto:cra1.rmstrong@gmail.com">cra1.rmstrong@gmail.com</a> to give me a bit of info about you, and to reassure me that your intent is to freely provide any detail of this concept to the good of All Human Beings, not a patent lawyer, nor a mega-biz innovation trasher, nor even a stupid government in a English Crown colony called Washington, D.C.!</p> <p>Really, the concept looks like an excellent point of beginning on a "Gravity Conversion" mechanism, and so far all the search done for months has failed to turn up anything even remotely close to it.</p> <p>Wish there were attachments allowed here!</p> <p>I do welcome most any dialogue, so feel free at least to use my e-Mail to make contact. I will tell you up front that this is an OPEN Project, and will be released, IF it proves out, under a public, free-access license. I make no equivocations on that, as a requirement to work on it can be either hard to quash by vested energy interests, or easy to quash when the research is secretive, patented, and closely held, as Bessler well proved by his reticence to freely involve public awareness. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/i-think-i-know-how-bessler-did-it#post-230 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:42:10 +0000 Grimer 230@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Unbalanced </p> <p>There are no closed systems.</p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Frank </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/new-member-intoductions#post-229 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:33:47 +0000 Grimer 229@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>I don't like to introduce myself on a discordant note but it would be nice if we could have the word "moderator" spelt correctly.</p> <p>In fact it would be a good idea if admin went over the whole site with a spelling checker since "modorator" is not the only egregious error. </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/new-member-intoductions#post-228 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:22:05 +0000 Ralphlortie 228@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Greetings Earl, and welcome to a very quiet forum.</p> <p>I sent you a private e-mail via this account last week and have not heard back from you.</p> <p>Are you the same EEwhite registered on Besslerwheel.com. If so please acknowledge.</p> <p>Ralph Lortie </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/new-member-intoductions#post-227 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:28:59 +0000 eewhite4 227@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Hi I am Earl White </p> <p> I've been fascinated by the idea of perpetual motion since I was a kid and I turned my bicycle upside down to work on it. My dad said it was impossible which made the search all the more fun.<br /> I am semi-retired and have my own machine shop and wood shop. I have formal training in machine work and electronics. I have built electric motors and Stirling engines from scratch. I look forward to hearing from any and all members here. I could make parts for members if anyone is in need of machine shop or wood shop services. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance.</p> <p>Earl White<br /> eewhite4<br /> North Idaho USA </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/my-approach#post-226 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:50:25 +0000 eewhite4 226@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Gentlemen,</p> <p> Very interesting discussion. I agree with everything being said here, and I would like to add one idea. - Bessler probably did not design any of the wheels with the idea of running at any particular speed, he probably just wanted as much speed as he could get! The 54 /26 rpm was most likely a by-product of the centrifugal forces and the<br /> average moment arm of the mechanism being used. If memory serves me correctly, the smaller wheel was bi-directional, which may have limited the amount of offset available inside the wheel because of the idea that it had to run in either direction. So whatever phenomenon caused the rotation speed, it was not without limits and what we are looking for in the way of a mechanism would have it's pivot point somewhere on the centerline in the case of the bi-directional wheel. (this may not necessarily be the case for the uni-directional wheels)</p> <p>What I do know.</p> <p>If you take a string and tie a weight to it and make the radius about 5 ft 6 inches and try and swing it at 54 rpm, it is barely going fast enough to keep the string taught at the top of the circle!. This pretty much rules out the free-falling weight theory, as anything that is allowed to free-fall would be pretty hard to control, and even harder to get it to start in an orderly fashion, not to mention the idea that it would beat the machine to pieces in a short time. </p> <p>Never the less, centrifugal force was in effect in 1712 just like it is right now. so whatever spinning mass Bessler may have used would try to slow the wheel down if the weights were allowed to move too far away from the center as the wheel accelerated. It is my guess that the tapping was a necessary evil, and not the means by which the outer wheel was moved. I think that Bessler was using the inside surface of the wheel for a mechanical limit and/or audible feedback that helped control the speed towards the upper limit of 54 rpm. Without the aid of the limit, the weights would swing out too far and slow everything down. Also, since the tapping was supposedly heard to be coming from the 4 o'clock position on the descending side only, it would follow that at least part of the rotating mass or internal mechanism was not concentric to the outer shell. </p> <p>That is the only way that the weights or any other part of the mechanism would only tap in one area on the inside of the wheel.</p> <p>All this being said, I still cannot visualize anything that could be entirely contained inside a wheel and turn on its own for any length of time using only the force of gravity. If anyone has pictures or evidence to the contrary, I would be most eager to know about it. </p> <p>eewhite4 </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/i-think-i-know-how-bessler-did-it#post-225 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:15:39 +0000 eewhite4 225@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Curtis,</p> <p> Some sort of re-cycling mechanism. That's what I'm working on too, although it's hard to get the right sort of arrangement. The design I was working on did not look that good after i gave it some more thought. unfortunately I already had some of the parts made.</p> <p>The thing that stopped me was reflected torque. I had not considered that the last part of the gear train was still unbalanced and running at a multiple dis-advantage from the gear ratio.</p> <p>Also the Bessler wheel was not very efficient as far as how much the wheel weighed in comparison to how much weight it could lift. </p> <p>Gotta go for now and I will keep checking back....</p> <p>EW </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/i-think-i-know-how-bessler-did-it#post-223 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:11:53 +0000 Unbalanced 223@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Welcome Earl White,</p> <p>Though this is a good example of gravity doing work in an open environment, getting gravity to do work in a closed system is a harder nut to crack, it is the hurdle to our ultimate success. The focus of my current research is in utilizing the combined force of 99% of the weights to raise 1% of the weights in a blink of the eye. </p> <p>Curtis </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/i-think-i-know-how-bessler-did-it#post-222 Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:28:35 +0000 Anonymous 222@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>eewhite4</p> <p>Welcome to the forum. </p> <p>Your planetary observations are well understood, and are always good someone will bring this up from time to time. How to capitalize on this in a mechanical since is a good direction to look at. Keeping an open mind and good observation is key. IMO</p> <p>Alan </p> http://www.arrache.org/forum/topic/i-think-i-know-how-bessler-did-it#post-221 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:05:24 +0000 eewhite4 221@http://www.arrache.org/forum/ <p>Gentlemen,</p> <p> Very interesting discussion. If I can add my two cents worth-- I was trying to come up with an example of gravity doing "work" It is my understanding that work as it is defined by the physics textbooks is defined as a force being applied to an object and moving it over a distance. See if the following seems to fit the definition. A scientific satellite is launched from earth with the intention of having it pass close by as many planets as possible on the way out of the solar system. In order for the trip to be as speedy as possible, the trajectory was carefully chosen to cause the satellite to pass close behind several planets in an ever increasing radius where the gravitational force of each succeeding planet would for a short time pull the satellite along behind it thereby accelerating the satellite to speeds far greater than were originally obtained from the initial rocket launch. I think the satellite (Voyager) is still proceeding outbound into deep space and the gravity assisted launch was a success.</p> <p>So the example contains all the necessary ingredients to do work. The mass of the satellite, the distance moved (from earth to outer space) the acceleration involved, and time elapsed. So I would venture to say that work had to be done on the satellite to get it to the speed and distance that it has now attained, and the only other influence besides the initial launch power was the gravity of the other planets. </p>